前 言
全球性专业石材展览会,第二十三届中国厦门国际石材展于2023年6月05-08日在厦门国际会展中心隆重举行。双循环新格局下,上下游全产业链,建筑、设计圈,跨界平台机构齐聚厦门,共同关注、探讨并推动石材行业高质量发展的新业态。
厦门人居设计生活节,由厦门国际石材展、IHIDA人居空间设计师俱乐部联合主办。通过产学研全方位角度将石材与设计精准链接,以展览、论坛、产业游学三大板块联袂呈现。以探索理想人居空间、设计驱动产业发展、重塑城市生活美学为愿景,构建人居美好生活新时代。致力于推动设计产业发展进程,为石材行业提供更具开拓性及先锋精神的发声窗口,为中国石材消费市场带来新气象。
随着科技的发展,石材已经走进千家万户。作为天然材料,石材有着其他材料无可比拟的纹理与美感,但作为传统建材,石材亦有着自身的局限所在。
私宅设计是空间设计中的先行者,践行着许多创新而又大胆的设计,未来石材在私宅中还会有怎样的思考与应用,如何在私宅中做到迭代更新?
2023年,人居空间发展论坛以“石材在私宅空间中的应用”为主题,邀请策展嘉宾赖旭东、刘道华、朱晓鸣、黄启升与石材行业代表人物共同对话,希望借以他们的视角与思索,寻求石材在私宅中的更多创新与应用。
6月5日,人居空间发展论坛(一)【石材在私宅空间中的应用】如约而至,梁志天老师作为IHIDA的名誉会长,上台致辞。
梁志天设计集团(SLD)创始人 梁志天先生
致辞
"过去的三年,我们经历了疫情,有时间去重新思考我们未来的生活应该怎么样的?我们未来的家怎么样才是一个好的家?人居生活设计节已经做了第三年了,今年跟过去两年一样,我们邀请了十位设计师用石材来设计一个空间,是他们对石材的一种理解,对石材一种分析。接下来是我们的论坛,我们希望通过这个论坛,石材与设计对话,让更多的人知道石材可以在空间里如何使用,把我们的设计分享给所有的朋友,让我们的生活更美好。"
随后,刘道华先生、赖旭东先生分别带来个人设计分享,除此之外,他们与石材企业品牌代表潘志久先生、袁俊赟先生就本次策展空间及论坛主题进行了探讨与交流,谈及共同策展的启发,大家感触良多,并对设计师与石材企业合作过程中的相关经验进行分享。
“我98年毕业,设计师的身份差不多有20多年,但是在餐饮领域比较多一些。新生活、新商业、新物种,我觉得是未来一种趋势,因为所有的设计是离不开经济的发展。”
LDH刘道华建筑设计事务所创始人 刘道华先生
“设计是一种建构,建构传统与未来、人与自然的关系,通过日常的生活的场所建造,塑造人们生活方式与观念。餐饮空间设计的独特性,跟私宅不太一样,因为餐饮空间它首先是一个消费空间,第二个具备大众属性,第三个它是公共场域。所以,餐饮空间具备大众媒介的属性,在日常的生活场域对人们施加心智影响。”
“对于设计,这里简单的总结一下我的设计思路,第一,从建筑思维去建构空间,我认为是设计的一个立足点。第二,对于餐饮空间,它具备更多的是私人定制,用设计表达不同的空间体验,这是私人定制的属性。第三,洞悉模式的变化。模式改变是未来餐饮空间取得突破的关键点,我们看到所有的餐饮。比如特别火的餐厅,你看的只是一个表象,其实它背后有很多的数学跟逻辑思维在里面,系统学的思维是我们看不见的。第四,关注体验感。因为空间的体验传递的是全球的品牌理念,每个品牌需要自己的私人定制。所以,未来餐饮空间一个词叫共期,所以面对自然的警醒和现实的冲突,在危机不断确定当下,人们更多的拥抱自然回望过去是一种共期的理念。”
“我讲的为众设计,最近两三年我都是用这个题目,因为我们一直觉得设计它是为大众的,特别是疫情这两三年。我们公司原来是一直做公共空间,然后接着做产品研发,做私宅这一块。在产品研发的时候,我们就发现一个问题,所有的外观专利在我们中国是有外观专利局的,个人使用的话是15年,15年以后它就奉献给全社会,所以说所有的设计我们都觉得是为众设计。”
重庆年代营创室内设计有限公司设计总监
赖旭东先生
“很多年轻设计师了解我,包括业内外的人知道我,是通过一个节目叫东方卫视《梦想改造家》,年轻设计师会问我一些问题,流量重不重要?包装重不重要?你们只是看到现在的我,没有了解原来的我。
1999年我毕业以后,就选择留在重庆教书,像大家一样输出自己的东西,想知道自己设计的含量在国内究竟到了什么地步,后面就频频参加活动,参加各种大赛,包括人居空间设计奖这样的大赛希望所有设计师朋友都去参加,因为我们就是这样一步一步走过来的。拿了一个奖,会给你安慰和鼓励,你就会在这条路上不断地认识自己,包括认识自己在这个行业的存在感,而且会交到很多朋友,跟他成为好朋友的同时你会发现朋友的作品在不断更新,他会鞭策你不断努力,不断前行。”
“客户投资一个酒店几个亿,他不是因为你的名声找到你,不是因为你是什么副教授,什么副会长,东方卫视的什么明星,他不会因为你的名声把项目交给你,包装重不重要?包装确实是重要,但是要在一定的基础、经验和作品来构建它。”
主持人:首先我们想分别问两位设计老师在此次策展活动中,本次的策展空间对石材是基于怎样的创作背景与思考?希望表达什么?
赖旭东:我们公司做公共空间特别多,私宅做得非常少,但接到策展的邀请,我们也仔细分析过,既然人居设计生活节,我们希望通过石材和人居能够结合在一起。我们的主题叫《尺幅窗、无心画》,我们想通过空间各种门洞、窗洞的大小,对里面和外面的景进行一个框景的作用,人在里面游走的话,画面在不停的变化,这就叫无心画、尺幅窗。
奢石本身丰富的纹理和色彩关系,如同一幅幅的抽象画,结合不同的窗洞、门洞,从而以窗观画,以画品石,来表达的我们对奢石的一种理解。
石材的天然性是无可比拟的,而且我们本次选的石材也具有它的艺术性,结合一些小的艺术品、家居陈列品及我们的家具,让空间产生一种对艺术的展望,对家居生活的展望。
刘道华:路易斯·康有个演讲,是跟学生的对话,他说“我们所见到的所有的一切的物体应该都是有生命的,要学会对话”。
首先我觉得对这个展,我们要学会与石材对话,石材也是有生命的。第二,如果从设计的维度来讲,有两个方向。第一,我们用了一个几何学的方式来做设计,在我们的展里面是一个方块,以对角线的方式实现。第二,建筑学,相当于一个正方形的立方体石材,原生态的石材经过升华,变成很精致的一个模块,而剩下的石材是一个自然状态,洒落在空间里面去。第三,我觉得应该有具备艺术学。石材不仅是石材的概念,应该是具备艺术的属性,所以我们用艺术的思维来做这个展。第四,是精神性,怎么理解这个精神性呢,一个是里面有很多光,另外我刚才看了整个展览,有很多参观者没有进去这个空间,我就很奇怪,后来我咨询了10位左右的观众,我问站在门口为什么你不进去,他们说因为里面的空间太过于空灵,人进去会破坏整个空间,其实我觉得这已经达到了一个设计精神上的升华。
这个空间主题我们叫《石间·重生》,把石材本身的属性,从精神的属性升华的一个高度,这是我们的方向。石材本身没有高低贵贱,但是它最后呈现出不是石材的石材,更多的是一直艺术装置的路径,这是我的一些简单思考。
主持人:从两位老师的阐述中,我们知道两位老师的作品都是从艺术的角度出发,也想请教一下本次联合策展的石材品牌代表潘总和袁总,在这个过程中,感触最深的是什么?
潘志久:在我们和赖老师配合的过程中,我们深深地感受到,如果单一的把石材看成是一种产品,它的价值是严重被低估的,天一石业有一句话叫无奢石、不豪宅,无石材、不高端,世界上没有相同的两片叶子,同样没有相同的两片石材,石材经过了亿万年的沉淀,本身就很美。
设计师和品牌之间是什么关系呢?设计师是发挥创意的引领者,品牌及产品是协助设计师完成具体呈现的。经过这一次天一和设计师朋友们的深度碰撞,我们是更深刻的体会到了石之大美。
袁俊赟:以往我们实际上的思考很容易局限在一个范围内,我们作为石材品牌,更多的时候是以一个材料商的方式去思考材料本身的应用。但这一次我们在刘老师的引导下,我们开始去和材料进行对话,去思考材料与人的关系。
在这里我想通过一个例子来描述我此次的感受。去年的普利兹克奖得主是迪埃贝多·弗朗西斯·凯雷,今年的普利兹克奖是戴卫·奇普菲尔德爵士。这两位获奖者他们的作品之所以能获奖,就是会让我们觉得建筑本身或者是材料本身,就应该出现在那里,它们应该被那样使用。
这一次我们的《石间·重生》给我的就是这样的感受,我们对刘老师的作品非常喜欢,同时也给了我们一个比较好的思维方式,当我们和设计师合作的时候,我们就应该相信设计师的专业,相信他的创造,相信他的作品,不去给他太多的要求与障碍,这样子他们做出来的东西一定是美的,一定是超乎我们想象的。
主持人:其实大家看到的我们现场呈现的十个空间,也是历时半年的时间,从前期的创意到中间的沟通、落地,需要很长时间的磨砺和沟通。在这个过程当中,大家对于设计师与石材品牌之间的合作及合作方式,有什么经验分享吗?
赖旭东:因为我们这次的合作品牌是天一,他们提供的全是奢石,纹样自然流畅且充满了艺术感的石材,所以我们没有在空间里进行大幅的张贴,因为这样子会扰乱我们空间中的平和感。
通过这次合作,我觉得奢石的在空间中的运用可以是以艺术中心点来点缀它,甚至我们完全可以做成一些艺术性的艺术品,比如说屏风之类,特别是现在极简风格流行的情况下,纯色的石材它里面有着丰富的肌理关系,当成一幅抽象画,张贴在空间里,这样子的话就会弱化了传统意义上的满墙铺贴石材的土豪感,让它艺术化一点。艺术的赋能、设计的加持,奢石在空间呈现的品相或格调上,会更加高级。
潘志久:我们天一石业非常喜欢赖老师的设计概念,以窗为元素,从设计的美学,从实际上的应用,打开的是石材世界的窗。更重要的是,我们彼此之间,品牌与设计师之间合作的窗。
我们都知道所有的产品、材料,一旦工业化气息太浓的时候,这个时候的它的审美价值,市场价值都会被拉低。但是石材有一种魅力,它不会随着时间的流逝而过时,只会越来越经典。通过这次和赖老师的合作,天一希望后续还可以和更多优秀的设计师合作,一起把真正的石材文化,石材的工艺特点普及开来,改变以往人们对石材的认知。
刘道华:我们第一个选石材的,汉荣给了我们5款石材,当时看到蓝金沙的时候,我们就觉得非常符合眼缘,也是平常想用的,我觉得第一个,选择的重要性。
第二个在设计的过程中,刚才也讲了设计思考的各种维度,但是更为重要的是随着项目的推进,思考的变化。这个项目,我们在后期又加入了很多在最初的理念没有想到的东西,比如在入口有个雕塑和柱体是后期加入的。柱体是以微雕的工艺实现的,因为我们的主题是《石间·重生》,最大的属性是赋予它更多的生命,以不同的手段来实现。
微雕的雕刻出来之后,我觉得还缺一个雕塑,正好在展览前一周,也就短短三五天,他们二话没说,全力支持,后面这个雕塑是花钱买的,花钱买的也不便宜。这是第二个问题,也是我们最近在思考的。
第三个维度,这个空间里面还缺少点光,因为我们觉得重生一定是有光的,所以说第三个我们用在石材的基座上面摆上烛台,这些都是在展览前两周思考出来的。
设计的过程随着自己思想的变化,在不停的变化,空间是有生命的,我们在设计的过程中代表空间生命的存在。跟汉荣合作的时候,他们说刘老师我们相信你,你要做什么,花多少钱都可以,所以我觉得合作过程中,对彼此的信任非常重要,谢谢汉荣。
袁俊赟:我们跟刘老师在合作的时候,刘老师有提到一个点,就是我们要顺应材料。顺应材料在我的理解里它可能分为两个部分:
第一个部分,要有顺应材料的大局观。关于这个材料本身是一个什么样的状态,适用于什么样的场景,有什么样的艺术表现力,我们是需要去适应的。石材对于我们来说,有时候说的好听点叫当局者迷,我们会局限在自己的思维困境里面,可能我们并不是那么的能够去顺应材料,能够去看到它更多的未来,这是大局观。
往小一点的顺应材料,是基于材料本身的那些细微处的洞察。比方说我们这一次的蓝金沙,它是大理石和花岗岩双生的产品,所以我们可以看到在这款大理石身上,它有很多那种白色的浪花状的纹理,这种纹理在用的时候,它在一些呈现上会显得特别出挑,给空间带来不一样的活力,同时这个产品本身它的那些细微的经典的纹理在强光的照射下会非常的闪耀,这些小的东西是我们的洞察。
这一次合作,刘老师让我们看到了当大局观和小洞察结合的时候,能做出多么漂亮的产品。我们也希望以后能够有更多的设计师朋友们来引领我们,指导我们,去发现那些我们不曾发现的材料本身的美,去挖掘那些我们不曾想到的材料设计应用的美。
6月6日,人居空间发展论坛(二)【石材在私宅空间中的应用】再度展开。设计嘉宾朱晓鸣先生、黄启升先生带来精彩的主题演讲,并且他们也与石材品牌代表人物刘睿先生、蔡文俊先生展开对话,除了分享本次策展理念,他们还以石材及私宅设计为出发点进行共同对话,为企业、为设计者提供更有深度的洞察视角。
“'小家大爱',从我们的人生呱呱坠地到成家立业都必须经历由小到大的阶段,同样也经历了空间物理尺度的变化。不要因为“小”就放弃了对美好的追逐,不要因为“小”而变得窃窃私语,不敢声张,变得含蓄,“小”也有追求美好的权利;这几年我受邀东方卫视也在尝试实践一些“小”的项目,因为在这样的限制下去做创造反而会更有挑战性一些。地球因为有了引力才让人类的飞翔有了限制,成就了乔丹的“飞人”,因为有了限制的创造,才让一系列的梦改有了更多的精彩。”
ING意内雅设计机构创始人/创意总监 朱晓鸣先生
“家,寄托身心之所,有情感有灵魂的房子才可被称之为“家”:“宀”形像房屋的侧视形,示为房屋;“豕”,同豭,野猪之义,古代人在屋子里养猪,有了猪就有了家。其实人生不过如此,跟家里人在一起衣食无忧快乐是最高的追求。对于家的营建,我个人有一些关注,一个是唐代的刘禹锡早就讲过室雅何须大,雅到底是什么?雅不单单是物质,更多的是来自于精神,我们称为空间眷恋幸福度的体验。”
“为什么叫空间,后来能叫成家?因为空间有了人的情感才叫做家;为什么今天我们的场子叫展厅,怎样的空间又被称为展览?因为有了人的注入才有了游览和场域的不同。”
“今天我为演讲准备了一个很特别的名字,就叫 ‘石·内’。这个名字跟我们从事的专业‘室内’也是有接近的发音,同时我也想与大家一起深度地了解石材,探索石材带给我们更深层次的精神境界。”
梁志天设计师有限公司设计董事 黄启升先生
“我们这一次的展厅采用了一款特别的新材料,它是通过对天然石材的多重工艺处理,从而赋予石材第二次生命。我们希望通过这种新型材料去表达一种积极的心态,对于设计行业,对于石材,对于未来,无论面对多大的困难,大家一起努力突破,一定能蜕变升华,迎来第二次的绽放。”
“这几天我跟各位老师朋友聊天,大家看完展厅之后的观感,跟我们最初的想法又有了新的理解。例如,一位老师说像万家的灯火,有一种城市的热闹和璀璨的感受。我们这次选的石材非常质朴,希望能传达一种理念,在我们日常设计中,并不是说要用名贵的材料才能做出华丽时尚的感觉。一些最质朴的材质,通过与不同材质结合造型、灯光后的组合演变之后,也能呈现高雅的体验,这也是我们希望传达给设计师的一些经验。”
主持人:首先,我们请两位设计老师为大家介绍一下今年带来的策展理念及背后对于石材的运用,通过这次的策展有什么样的经验能给大家分享一下?
黄启升:大家好,首先代表梁老师向各位问好,今年是我们第三年参与策展了,前两年我们更多是用传统的手法对石材进行创作演绎,今年我们就想有一些不同的变化,希望能用一些新型材料来焕发石材的活力,期望这次能带给大家更多的温暖,更多愉悦的享受。其中展厅中间寓意温暖拥抱的弧形造型,反射在墙身的镜面上,犹如抽象的山水意境,也是象征人们对自然生态、生活本真最纯粹的渴望。因为我们刚开始设计的时候是在去年年底,疫情刚刚准备结束,我们带着乐观的心态去做这件事情,希望传达一种正面的能量。
朱晓鸣:我们都说像开盲盒,这一次的展其实落地难度特别大,因为我们在构建空间的时候,除了石材,还有音乐、雾系、水系、瀑布等构成。我们的伙伴是一个有高标准的公司,我们很好奇,为什么我们隔着这么远的距离线上沟通,他们好像都不慌张,甚至我都担心最后这个惊喜会不会变成惊吓,结果没让我失望,我打开的时候感觉这个盲盒跟我们的效果图差不多,所以一个好的合作伙伴很重要,起步线在那里,输出的东西在那里,实际和期待相差不大,甚至超越,我觉得这就是一个好的合作,双方都有追求。
第二是关于空间的感受,在做设计的时候,我们就发现通过不同的照度、色温去试这个石头,发现这个石头非黑即白,只有把黑降到足够的黑,黑没有,白还留着的时候跟雾气在一起,会形成非常接近于我们认为宇宙最初那种混沌的状态,所以这就变成我们设计的初缘,希望在迷茫当中去寻找一条出路。很多人说没法拍照,其实我们并不是说想做一个拍照的点,我们就想有个地方,有个凳子坐在那里好好感受一会儿,我们墙上有一个耳机,不是要戴上去听音乐,而是让你听不到音乐,这样可能会更安静一些,所以我们希望通过这样的方式,在一个虚无、无垠和空无的一种状态当中去静坐内观,去找到一点点的感受,找自己想表达的主张。
因为我们在门口做了很多的沙地,这里的阿姨特别负责任,一旦有沙子,她就把它扫掉,我说这个不用扫,我要三天走完之后从这个洞到这个洞形成一个脚印的联系,因为我的作品叫《彼岸》,《彼岸》就是由此到彼的过程的停留。
主持人:现在我们也继续了解一下,通过这次与我们设计师联袂呈现的形式,作为石材品牌有什么样的感受或启示,这样充满挑战的落地过程当中有什么样的故事与大家分享?
刘睿:首先感谢主办方跟黄老师的信任,把这个项目交给我们去落地。当初我们拿到黄老师的设计方案,其实蛮惊讶的,一个天然的石材可以用这种碎片的表达方式,而且诠释了一种全新的概念。当拿到这个项目的时候,实际上既慌张,又有点无从下手。而且当黄老师提到要用12000多片的岩石碎片,一片一片贴到具有反光效果的镜钢上,又要保证它的拼缝细密程度,对于我们来说确实是挑战。
当然我们在打样的时候和设计团队经过了很多次的碰撞,最后把设计方案和施工工艺做了很多优化,才开始去落地下来的。里边还有一个难点是石材本身和镜钢及其他材料的匹配问题,传统印象中我们认为石材只要做一个造型或者做一个设计方向就可以落地了,它不太需要和其他的材料结合,结合当中会涉及到很多收口,包括衔接的问题,这个问题也使我们在以后工艺的更新迭代也起到一个非常大的帮助。
另外,对于整体施工落地效果的细节把控上,我们觉得已经是过了,但是梁老师跟黄老师的设计团队认为没过,所以我们又经历了两个晚上的,近乎于通宵的加班,重新推倒、重新调整。对于细节的把控,也是我们团队这次学到的东西,可以应用到我们以后对于工艺的追求上。
蔡文俊:首先很荣幸能参加这次人居空间设计节,我们也是第一次参加,当拿到朱老师设计方案的时候,我们都很惊讶,因为他把这款石材体现的淋漓尽致,把可想到的跟没想到的都展示出来了。我们这款石材是一款黑白灰纹理比较联动的,在实际的销售过程当中会出现什么问题呢?这段时间所有的人想要黑的,下一段时间所有的人想要白的,这是我们销售的一个痛点。朱老师刚好打破这个痛点,就像展中的长凳白的,墙面黑的,它们联动了起来。这款石材是我们石材界里不敢尝试的一款,通过朱老师的引导,包括我们在做方案过程中,一直固化在石材的思维里面,朱老师很耐心的帮我们不断的调整,我们好像打开另外一片天地。
主持人:我们也想把话题更加聚焦行业一下,想问一下刘总和蔡总,目前石材行业面临着哪些痛点和难点?大家对此有什么应对措施?
刘睿:作为细分领域主要痛点是设计的多样化,我们认为传统石材主要是应用在墙面、地面,包括户外园林景观这块,但现在随着设计风格趋于块状化,包括整体化,在这块就需要它和其他材料、其他墙面,包括位置的衔接问题。石材本身是一个比较厚重的材料,在施工运输当中会存在很多问题,这也就造成了施工落地的可行性跟精细化会有难题。
我们也在石材减重,石材曲面,做了一些产品工艺上的更新,比如说我们新推出的石物生品牌,它是在基于石材轻量化的同时又做了超薄的柔性处理,它可以应用在石材的,比如说护墙板、柜门板,包括石门这些全新的领域,可以拓宽石材本身的由原来的应用领域上边延伸性的东西。
蔡文俊:我觉得整个石材行业它的痛点在于大家都停留在一个坐商的环境,就坐着等,以前行业发展非常好,坐在那边自然会有客商来购买你的产品,但现在要转变一下思维,从坐商的方式转变成行商,走出去。另外我觉得行商,还有一点,我们怎么把材料带出去,就像我们现在自己做小程序,所有实时的库存,让外面的设计师能实时的了解到他想要的材料,有或者没有?还有比如说设计的时候,设计用的这款材料,到落地的时候,它有没有办法呈现?所以我会觉得说行业要有大的转变,怎么样跨出去让更多人的知道,让更多人的去应用石材,这是我个人的观点。
主持人:所有的石材人都在思索如何破圈,让产业迭代升级,那接下来我们想再问一下两位设计老师,在实际案例的应用当中,有没有关于石材应用或者设计趋势和大家分享?以及在石材领域里的应用方面,这两年有什么样趋势和思考?
黄启升:石材是天然的材料,某种程度上会越用越少,作为设计师应该要有一种让它可持续发展的使命感。
虽然这次是石材展,但是我觉得不一定是漫天盖地去使用石材,而是可以通过跟其他的材料,包括木、墙纸,还有一些新型的材料进行搭配,这样也能突出石材的珍贵,在重要的地方能用石材来点缀,这也是我们对于石材的一种可持续使用的方式。
朱晓鸣:就我的设计风格来讲,其实并没有在石材的功法上有太多的研究,我觉得专业的事情专业的人做,他们每天都在研究切割、对花、镶嵌、荔枝面、罗马面、蒙太奇面等等,他们给我们提供了源源不断的创作基础。我想我们聚焦思考的不一定是去炫技、去研究,应该是做到物尽其用,看懂它,找出最合适的方法像宝贝一样去对待它,这是我们对石材、对自然的尊重。设计师扮演着美好创造者的角色,但是有时候不当的设计前提下,也扮演着垃圾的创造者,破坏的始作俑者。所以我觉得要尊重既有,然后善待,通过设计师角色去使用它,运用它。
主持人:对于品牌方来说,跟设计师的这样合作互动过程也有助于挖掘出石材更美的更高的价值,不知道刘总和蔡总这两年对设计案例的应用方向或趋势有哪些感知?
刘睿:刚才黄老师提到的石材不是单纯的在空间中的堆砌,它可以和其他材料,比如编织类,草麻类,还有其他等等的结合。设计是以人为本,人不是对于每种材料单纯喜好,而是对整个空间氛围的需求。而石材可以唤醒人们对于原生态天然物质的追求,会前也和黄老师聊了一下,对于石材和其他材料结合创造一种天然的环境来影响人在居住空间里的不同感受。我觉得多材料的融合性,尤其是对于天然材料的融合性,也能使设计焕发更大的活力。
蔡文俊:通过这几年跟设计圈的朋友、老师们不断的探讨,我发现一个问题,我们石材人要先去挖掘自身材料的特性,通过跟设计师的沟通中,比如这款材料适合用在什么空间、什么风格里面,而不像以前传统的做法,这个材料能用吗?都能用,每个地方都能用,其实不一定,施工落地都会有不同的问题。所以我们要打破这个思维,我们要先了解自己的材料,就像通过跟朱老师的沟通中,我更了解我的材料了,能体现的更多了,这个是我们石材人跟设计交流的重点之重。
主持人:越来越多的石材有破圈趋势,我们也知道石材的应用领域非常广泛,那想请教一下黄老师和朱老师,石材跟设计的结合,作为材料的品类有它哪些独到的优势?以及在应用方面随着技术的发展有哪些创新?
黄启升:我觉得石材确实是不可替代的,因为它的天然性,它的独特纹路的美观性,能起到很重要的决定性作用。这次我们跟新蒂克合作,也是我们的一次学习过程。我有一个特别大的感触,就是石材它本来就是一款很坚硬的材料,但现在通过技术工艺把它变成柔软了,我看到了石材的多变性、柔软度。当一件物件能做到柔软,它就有无限发展的可能,能够运用在更多的地方。
朱晓鸣:石材应用在建筑、在装饰,在艺术类别等各个领域,已经有了很长的积累,我觉得就是好用才会持久,否则就退出舞台,好用别人才会模仿它,因为它好,所以还希望它便宜。石材以前是走奢侈稀缺的路线,那以后会不会不走这个路线会更强大?这是我的想法。
第二,石材的应用,除了空间的装饰语言和视觉,我也一直在学习。中国文化对石材研究其实是特别多的,为什么叫水落石出?为什么叫落井下石?为什么叫石破天惊?石头带给人的其实已经不单是物理,更多是感受,是故事,是场景,是想象,是一个有待去表达的事情。像东方很多的家具就有很多山水石来表达,这个石头已经不像是装饰语言了,它已经是一个意境自然画作。
第三,重新回到石头的肌理去阅读它,天底下没有一模一样的石头,至于趋势不趋势,就是我们品牌和设计师在互相合作,形成的召唤和引领才有趋势。
主持人:我们也听听石材品牌代表的声音,随着科技的发展,在石材应用方面有哪些创新?
刘睿:首先从石材本身物理特性来说就是重,还有随机,因为本身天然物质具有非常大的不确定性,石材的色差问题,可塑性问题,它的减重跟弯曲度在石材应用上面会有一些弊端。
比如我们新蒂克做的柔性石材,它从大幅减重,把每块石头可以做到1.5毫米厚,在运输上面它可以大大的节约运输成本,另外做到可以弯曲的效果,作为弧形上的应用,项目上面的可塑性会有很多延展作用。
还有就是蔡总所说的,石材行业里边的对于石材的可预知性,经常的是看不到实际落地效果是什么样的,也就是石材花色的不稳定性。蔡总说的通过可视化系统我们也在做,这个应该是未来的行业趋势,让石材真正在在线系统里边做到选择,可以预知跟模拟到未来的一个发展趋势。
另外就是石材实际落地施工工艺的研究,大多数情况下,像蔡总刚说的以前坐商就可以,但是现在就不行了。我要根据你的项目给你拆解应用方案,这个案子怎么落地,如果未来我们石材厂商不具备解决方案能力,它可能就会被边缘化。
蔡文俊:石材科技一直都在发展,像刘总他们现在做到1.5毫米,我们传统的复合铝蜂窝、复合瓷砖,能解决这些繁简问题,但是我们整个行业没有坚持下去的,因为大家就想做最传统的生产销售方式,钱到发货,但未来会像刚刘总讲的,我们是要为整个案子而负责,所有落地后面所会碰到的问题,我们都要去考虑,要给人家一系列的解决方案。
以及刚刚说的数字化管理、智能扫描、智能排版完后,给客户确认,给设计师确认,他们喜欢这个风格,对我们石材企业来相对来说风险是更小的,像这次跟朱老师的合作,我们也提前排给朱老师,看到效果,他们心里有底,所以说我们是倡导整个行业都来做这个事情,把整体的落地方案做得更好、更细致一点,这也是完成了升级产业。
随着分享的结束,厦门人居空间发展论坛【石材在私宅空间中的应用】圆满落幕。以石材为核心,从设计角度出发,希望以此带给相关的从业者更多不一样的思考与启发。
Preface
The 23rd China Xiamen International Stone Fair has been held in Xiamen International Conference and Exhibition Center on June 5-8, 2023. The whole stone industry, architects, designers as well as institutions and platforms in other fields gathered in Xiamen to explore, discuss and promote new business mode of the industry.
Xiamen Habitat Design and Life Festival (XHDLF) is co-organized by Xiamen Stone Fair and International Habitat Interior Design Association (IHIDA), aiming to explore the ideal living space, facilitate industrial development by design and improve the aesthetics of urban life, thereby building a better habitation era. HDLF contains 3 parts of exhibition, forum and study tour: Habitat Interior Design Exhibition, Development Forum of Habitat Interior Design and Study Tour.
The theme of Development Forum of International Habitat Interior Design in 2023 was “Application of Stone in Private Residence”. We invited curators of XHDLF, Jason Lai, Liu Daohua, Alex Zhu and Sing Huang as keynote speakers. Representatives of stone enterprises also joined the forum in the dialogue session to discuss about the stone design application and share opinions on the development of the industry.
On June 5, the honorary president of IHIDA and chief curator of XHLDF, Mr. Steve Leung made an opening speech of the forum.
Steve Leung
Steve Leung Design Group, Founder
“In the past three years, the pandemic allowed us to rethink about what our future life should be like and what is a good home for us in the future? XHDLF has entered its 3rd edition in 2023. This year, we still invited ten designers to use stone in the space to present their understandings of this traditional building material. We hope that through this forum, more people will know how stone can be used in space, share our design with all friends, and make our life better.”
Subsequently, Mr. Liu Daohua and Mr. Jason Lai delivered keynote speeches on their design projects respectively. In addition, they had dialogue with Mr. Pan Zhijiu and Mr. Yuan Junyun, the representatives of stone enterprises. They talked about the inspiration of curating this exhibition, and shared the experiences in the cooperation process between designers and stone enterprises.
“I graduated in 1998 and have been a designer for more than 20 years. But I mainly work in the field of restaurant designing. My topic for this forum is ‘New life, new business, new species’. I think it is a future trend as all design is inseparable from economic development.”
Liu Daohua
LDH Architectural Design, Founder
“Design is a kind of construction, which constructs the relationship between tradition and future, man and nature, and shapes people's lifestyle and concept through the building of residence. The uniqueness of restaurant design is not the same as that of private houses, because the catering space is first a consumption space; the second is that it has mass attributes; and the third is that it is a public place. Therefore, catering space has the attributes of mass media which influences people’s daily life.”
“Here is a brief summary of my design thinking. First, I think it is a foothold of design to construct space from architectural mindset. Second, design of catering space is mainly customized that designer should tailor the space to meet clients requirements. Third, be aware of the change of models, which could be the key point to make breakthroughs in the catering space. Fourth one is to focus on the experience as it conveys the brand concept. In my opinion, the concept of symbiosis will appear in the catering space design.”
“My topic today is ‘designing for the public’. We have always bared in mind that the purpose of design is to make spaces for the public, especially in the years of the epidemic. Our company mainly focuses on public space. Product development and do private house design are two new businesses. When we do product development, we found that all appearance patents are expired in 15 years in China. After 15 years, it will be open to the society, that’s why we think design is for the public.”
Jason Lai
NDID Design, Design Director
“After graduating in 1999, I chose to be a teacher in Chongqing. Later I participated in many activities and various competitions, including IHIDA Awards, to test and verify my design ability. And I do recommend young designers to actively attend some significant competitions as winning an award is a driving force of improving your design ability. Besides, in such competitions, you will make friends, network with leading figures which will encourage you to keep working hard and keep moving forward.”
“We have been pursuing to make the home warm, the business not commercial, and then create a sense of closeness. This is a problem we, as designers, are facing. Design can be achieved and completed with different material, but what matters is to choose a right one to fit in your project.”
Host: First of all, I would like to ask the two curators, what do you want to express by applying stone material in the exhibition space through design?
Jason Lai: The theme of my exhibition booth is “Scenery through Windows”. Doors and windows were set on both sides of this space, through which visitors could enjoy different scenery from different angles. The unique texture and color of the luxury stone look like an abstract painting. When hanging the slab of luxury stone on the wall, we made this space more like a gallery where people can enjoy the “paintings” no matter standing in front of them or looking through windows. Besides, we also chose some marble to combine with furniture and artworks to decorate the space.
Liu Daohua: The theme of my exhibition is “Rebirth of Stone”. We hope to explore the spiritual characteristics of stone. In the beginning phase of designing this space, we knew it’s crucial to bare in mind that stone is alive. From design perspective, we used geometric, architectural, artistic and spiritual ways to structure the space. This was a 8x8 meters cubic space. We regarded it as a large raw stone block to be cut, carved and polished, then to made it a space with multi stairs. The debris cut from the stone block was scattered in the corners, meaning the rebirth of stone.
Host: Next, we would like to invite representatives of stone brands who also participated in the exhibition to talk about their feelings. How would you value the cooperation with designers this year?
Pan Zhijiu (FUJIAN TIANYI STONE GROUP): During the process of cooperation, we were impressed that the value of stone would be underestimated if it is simply regarded as a product. No two leaves are alike, so are the stones.
What is the relationship between designer and stone brand? In my opinion, designer is the one who leads the creative design while the stone brand supplies products required to jointly complete a project. We were honored to cooperate with Mr. Jason Lai this year to make a charming space.
Yuan Junyun (FUJIAN HANRONG STONE): As a stone brand, we are more often to think about the application of stone material itself. But this time, under the guidance of Mr. Liu Daohua, we began to have think about the relationship between the material and people.
We really admire Mr. Liu's work. It also gives us a better way of thinking - when cooperate with designers, we should believe in the designer's profession and creation yet do not intervene with many obstacles. In this way, the final project will sure to be beyond our imagination.
Host: What do you think are the challenges and opportunities of the stone industry in the next few years?
Pan Zhijiu (FUJIAN TIANYI STONE GROUP): What I reckon the only challenge that we are facing is the question - how to let people from all walks of life understand the application of stone, break stereotypes. Stone can be used in various fields such as construction projects, private houses, furniture, daily items and more.
Yuan Junyun (FUJIAN HANRONG STONE): Honestly, I think the recovering course from the pandemic is one of the greatest challenges we will face. In terms of the trend, as a stone company, we hope to be a brand that understands and caters to customers, no matter they are project owners or designers. We will introduce new equipment like intelligent manufacturing machine and system to assist in the completion of design and achieve a satisfactory final effect.
On June 6, designer Alex Zhu and Sing Huang (representing Steve Leung) also delivered keynote speeches and had a conversation with representatives from stone brands including Mr. Liu Rui and Mr. Cai Wenjun, hoping to give the audience more inspirations about the future of design and stone.
“My topic today is ‘Small Home with Big Love’. In fact, I have been doing small projects these years as they are more challenging. Under the limitation of space, potential of creation and imagination will be stimulated. For the construction of a home, I am personally keen on the idea of Liu Yuxi of the Tang Dynasty who said the elegance of a room is not determined by the size of the space. Elegance is more from the spirit that we reckon it as sentimental attachment to a space.”
Alex Zhu
ING DESIGN, Founder/Design Director
“Only A space filled with emotions and feelings among residents can it be home. Likewise, with the participation and interaction of visitors, the exhibition space is formed.”
“I named my speech with a special topic, ‘Stone & Interior’, which is pronounced like ‘indoor’ in Chinese as we are working on interior designs. And I’d like to share with you my understanding of stone and explore its spiritual level.”
Sing Huang
Steve Leung Design Group (SLD), Design Director
“This year, we chose a unique new material to be applied in our exhibition space. It is an ultra-thin natural stone. We hope to express a positive attitude through this new material for both the design and stone industry that no matter how difficult we face, we will work together to break through, transform and sublimate, usher in the second bloom.”
“These days, I have chatted with some friends and was surprised by their different perceptions of this exhibition space. For example, one said that it was like a bustling and lively urban view. We are trying to convey a concept that in our daily design, simple and plain stone varieties are able to present an elegant ambience through the combination of other building materials and light control.”
Host: First, I would like to invite Mr. Sing Huang and Mr. Alex Zhu to talk about their design ideas and stone application respectively. Is there any experiences you can share with the audience?
Sing Huang: First of all, on behalf of Mr. Steve Leung, I’d like to say hello to you. It is the third time we participate in the curation of XHDLF. In the past two years we used more traditional methods to apply stone in the space. However, this year we wanted to make changes by using new materials to showcase the vitality of stone. The arc-shaped wall in the middle of the exhibition hall implies warmth and embrace. Being reflected on the mirror of the wall, it is like an abstract artistic landscape, and also symbolizes people's pursuit for natural ecology and the authenticity of life. We started the design at the end of last year, when the pandemic control and prevention was just about to lift. Therefore, we designed the space with an optimistic attitude, hoping to convey a positive energy.
Alex Zhu: Actually, there were difficulties to complete this exhibition space in that when we constructed the space, we had to think about the music, fog, water, waterfalls and other components in addition to stone. Our partner is a company with high standards. We were curious about their calmness during the processing period since we simply communicated online. It turned out that the final effect was beyond our expectations. It was quite a good experience to work with Mr. Cai Wenjun and his team.
The second is about the feeling of space. When doing design, we found that the stone with different illumination and color temperature would show extremely white or black. When the white color prevailed, the space was like a chaotic state close to what we thought the universe was at the beginning. This is the initial idea of our design. There is a headset on the wall to help reduce the noise. We hope to create a space where visitors can sit on a stool and feel the ambience quietly. The sand in the doorway would be brought out of the space as the visitors walk out, leaving an imprint on the ground, thus forming a path.
Host: Now, let’s welcome Mr. Liu Rui and Mr. Cai Wenjun. Is there any stories and experiences during this challenging cooperation you would like to share with us?
Liu Rui (NEWDECO): We are honored to have the chance to cooperate with Mr. Steve Leung, Mr. Sing Huang and their team. At the very beginning, we were surprised by the design scheme that our ultra-thin stone could be presented in such way. It did challenging for us to cut the ultra-thin slate into small pieces and paste them on the stainless steel wall one by one. Normally, we simply processed stone to a certain shape according to the requirements without considering to combine it with other materials. However, in this space, we have to think about matching stone with other materials including the problem of cohesion. The control of details is also what our team has learned this time, which can be applied to our future pursuit of technology.
Cai Wenjun (FUJIAN QUANZHOU ZHENGXING STONE CO., LTD): This is our first time to participate in XHDLF and cooperate with Mr. Alex Zhu. The marble used in this space is HILTON GREY, which has distinct black, white and gray veins. There is a pain point when we sell this variety that some require surface with mainly black vein while others may need white surface. However, Mr. Alex Zhu skillfully integrate its different surfaces in a space. For example, the bench is white and the wall is black. We are grateful that he help us break through the stereotype of this kind of marble.
Host: Next, I would like to focus on the stone industry. What is your opinions about the challenges the industry is facing now? And what actions have you taken?
Liu Rui (NEWDECO): The major challenge is diversity in design. We used to apply stone mostly on the wall, floor and in garden landscape. But as the design style changes, we have to know about how to combine stone with other materials perfectly. Besides, stone itself is relatively heavy in weight. That’s why we release this ultra-thin stone product to reduce the weight and make it flexible. Therefore, it can be widely used in wall panel, cabinet door panels and more.
Cai Wenjun (FUJIAN QUANZHOU ZHENGXING STONE CO., LTD): In my opinion, it is a common phenomenon that most of companies in stone industry are still waiting for customers and their orders like before other than actively pitch their products and enhance brand awareness. We are now working on an online applet on which customers and designers are able to know the storage of a certain product timely. Also, we take an active part in the process of design to allow more people know the application of stone.
Host: For designers, can you share with the audience any stone application or design trend that you found in doing projects?
Sing Huang: Stone is a natural material that the reserve volume is not unlimited. As designers, we should bare in mind its sustainable development. As you can see, stone is the main material to be used in our exhibition booths. But I don’t think it should be presented as much as possible. It can be matched with other materials, including wood, wallpaper, and some new materials. Moreover, it can be decorated in important places. I’d say this is a way of sustainability to use stone, I reckon.
Alex Zhu: For my part, in fact, I didn’t do much research on the material of stone for my previous design projects because I believe it is the professionals who are specialized in stone are able to offer tailored advice such as cutting technology, surface treatment, mosaic technique, etc. On the other hand, what designers should do is to show our respect and treat this kind of material in an appropriate way to make the best use of it.
Host: What about Mr. Liu Rui and Mr. Cai Wenjun? Any ideas you would like to talk about from the perspective of stone brand?
Liu Rui (NEWDECO): As mentioned by Mr. Sing Huang, stone can be combined with other materials, such as weaving, grass, hemp and others. Design is people-oriented. We are not simply love a certain kind of material but are more concerned about the whole space atmosphere. Stone can awaken people's pursuit of natural materials. I think the integration of multiple materials, especially for natural materials, will also make the design more vibrant.
Cai Wenjun (FUJIAN QUANZHOU ZHENGXING STONE CO., LTD): Through the discussion with friends and designers over the past few years, I found a problem that we stone companies should explore the characteristics of this kind of material. For example, which space and design style is this material suitable for? Therefore, it is crucial for us to communicate with designers and professionals from other industries.
The Development Forum of Habitat Interior Design - Application of Stone in Private Residence has come to an end successfully. Hope the stone community, designers and practitioners in related sectors would get inspired from the forum.